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Server Essentials 2019 - What's the point - What's next

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Hi, looking for some guidance,  I had planned to upgrade my WHS2011 server next year with Essentials 2019, and just read they dropped client backups and the remote web access.  At this point, I'm not sure I have a use for the product anymore.  I can still get essentials 2016 at the moment, but knowing that there will not be a windows upgrade path after that, i'm thinking for $350 for the OS,  are there better options to consider.  What's the direction everyone else is going, I might add, that I will be getting the HDHR 6 turner prime, if they ever release it to replace my ceton 6Turner ETH.   I'm now looking at windows 10 pro as my server OS, or even  qnap/synology NAS, but I'm still scared of the linux drive formatting, I like Windows/Drivepool, because I can always get my data after a hardware failure - I do have backups on a 2nd WHS 2011 server and offline backups, of the importance stuff.

Only reason I'm still running WHS2011 is because of media center and the archive plugin, that is it just works.

also, my remote web access with my homeserver.com domain is now dead, as the cert expired, so MS once again, is killing products that would make it a powerhouse with consumers, RIP Zoom, WHS, MCE.

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Don't, seriously DON'T get me started! I am in exactly the same boat. And in my case, client backups and RWA are among the main things I wanted it for. I am considering going 2016WSE even though mainstream support ends in, what January 2022? BTW, RWA still works for me (for my WHS 2011 Server). I mean, file sharing, a downloading client that we'll not discuss and a DLNA server can be done in many ways. But the comfort of having (in my experience at least) a rock-solid client AND server backup capability is valued bigly.

So, what next? Not sure, still thinking about it...Leaning 2016 WSE and then see what to do around 2027 when extended support ends.

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2 hours ago, Umfriend said:

Don't, seriously DON'T get me started! I am in exactly the same boat. And in my case, client backups and RWA are among the main things I wanted it for. I am considering going 2016WSE even though mainstream support ends in, what January 2022? BTW, RWA still works for me (for my WHS 2011 Server). I mean, file sharing, a downloading client that we'll not discuss and a DLNA server can be done in many ways. But the comfort of having (in my experience at least) a rock-solid client AND server backup capability is valued bigly.

So, what next? Not sure, still thinking about it...Leaning 2016 WSE and then see what to do around 2027 when extended support ends.

Are you using your own domain? homerserver.com (MS domain service) cert expired in Sept , was a 5 year cert, I haven't had time to look in to too much.  But I should Say RDP is dead,  could be unrelated to the domain cert, i'm not that smart ha, RWA still works, but since the domain cert has expired, I have all sorts of warnings.

 

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Oh, I have had cert warnings from the get-go! Using both RWA and RDP succesfully. Which is gr8 because I understand none of this cert stuff you speak of :D. And yes, I use the servername.homeserver.com address and have had to add /remote since sometime in 2013.

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The almost unknown  "Windows Storage Server 2008r2 Essentials"  is exactly the same as WHS 2011, excluding the blue shade instead of green, excluding 25 users instead of 10, excluding it can (optionally) join a domain

It's still supported  and thanks to my packages (shared elsewhere) can run the mediacenter, it can act as a domain controller and can run Hyper-V virtual machines.

For unknown reasons it is called 2008R2 when its a 2011 release just like WHS 2011, Multipoint server 2011 and SBS 2011.

For unknown reasons it is called (internally) "Home Server Basic" while his brother WHS 2011 is called (internally) "home server premium".

MS and naming schemes are always been obscure to say the best.

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I was thinking Server 2008/2008R2 and Win 7 was going end of support Jan 2019, but seems we are actually good through Jan 2020. But I'm still not happy with the direction of MS and Serer Essentials.  All this means I have more time to figure out what's next in my Home Server build.  

Still nice get input from others.  

Now if only Silcon Dust would actually release their 6 tuner HD Homerun prime.  

 

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On 10/15/2018 at 5:57 AM, dbailey75 said:

I had planned to upgrade my WHS2011 server next year with Essentials 2019, and just read they dropped client backups and the remote web access.  At this point, I'm not sure I have a use for the product anymore.  I can still get essentials 2016 at the moment, but knowing that there will not be a windows upgrade path after that, i'm thinking for $350 for the OS,  are there better options to consider.  What's the direction everyone else is going, I might add, that I will be getting the HDHR 6 turner prime, if they ever release it to replace my ceton 6Turner ETH.   I'm now looking at windows 10 pro as my server OS, or even  qnap/synology NAS, but I'm still scared of the linux drive formatting, I like Windows/Drivepool, because I can always get my data after a hardware failure - I do have backups on a 2nd WHS 2011 server and offline backups, of the importance stuff.

The point of the 2019 Essentials... is that it's the new "Foundation" server.  No user CALs to worry about.  That's about it. And it may be cheaper than the Standard SKU. 

For me, I may upgrade to 2016 (I'm on 2012R2 Essentials), to get some of the Win10 goodness.  But I'm not sure that I'll be using 2019.  

On 10/15/2018 at 6:35 AM, Umfriend said:

I am considering going 2016WSE even though mainstream support ends in, what January 2022? BTW, RWA still works for me (for my WHS 2011 Server).

Mainstream support means no more features.  But it should still get security updates for a few more years after that.  So you should be good. 

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On 10/16/2018 at 6:20 PM, Umfriend said:

2008R2 is called 2008R2 as it was an update of 2008, not an upgrade (and released in 2009). The WHS "variant" was released in 2011.

It's pretty clear why 2008 r2 is called 2008 r2, what's amazing is releasing 4 Colorado brothers WHS, SBS, Multipoint and WSSe and calling 3 of them 2011 (as they should) and just one 2008r2.

 

Especially taking in account that while SBS and Multipont are different products WHS and WSSE are almost exactly the same thing.

You can even make WSS to look exactly lime WHS (and viceversa) replacing just a single DLL

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1 hour ago, Umfriend said:

Well, those were released in 2011 so (and R2 in 2009).

You still don't get the point. Windows Storage Server 2008R2 Essentials is a 2011 server. Actually it was released AFTER WHS 2011, and it is a very small variation of it.

When I wrote "almost unknown" I was serious, you are a further evidence of that :D

 

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12 minutes ago, Umfriend said:

I would say WHS 2011 is a 2008R2 server but whatever.

Whatever that sentence wouldn't fix the fact you didn't read what I wrote for 4/5 messages... :D

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On 10/20/2018 at 12:55 PM, t-s said:

You still don't get the point. Windows Storage Server 2008R2 Essentials is a 2011 server. Actually it was released AFTER WHS 2011, and it is a very small variation of it.

 When I wrote "almost unknown" I was serious, you are a further evidence of that :D

 

Naming is arbitrary. 

Windows Home Server 2011, Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials, and Windows Storage Server  2008R2 Essentials are all part of the same family, and not actually part of Windows Server 2008 R2 (though, all three are based on it, directly). 

Vail, Aurora, and Breckenridge are their codenames, and all part of the "Colorado" family. 
The main differences between these three products is the licensing, and a subset of features.  

 

Server 2008 R2 was a new release, upgrading from the Vista kernel to the Windows 7 kernel. 

 

That said, the Colorado products are code that sits on top of Server 2008R2.  The underlying OS is not different, just some of the features. 

However, when Server 2012 was released, this code was integrated as a core feature, not just software on top of it. 

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