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#1 Bluetac

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 02:20 PM

I was wondering if this is a blip or not, the drives are installed in my server 2012 r2 essentials and have never given me any issues ,
I am not 100% sure but i am guessing it is to do with the samsung magician software as i had previously had rapid mode enabled. however it appears to be glitchy with the new version on this system. I am guessing that this would explain the 26%  .
Or should i actually be worried at this point in time?

 

 

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The ssd is plugged into the channel 0 of the PCH controller, all chipset drivers are current 

CPU is the core I1 4770s 

16 gig of ram (none EEC) corsair 

 

If you need any other info  please let me know

 

 

Other tools , perfect disk server's smart reporting says all is fine  and samsung's magicians tools report all is well too.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:57 PM

its three+ years old i would plan for a replacement pronto

 

keep a close eye on the 220's and see if its changing (which i suspect it is) 

 

SSD's only have so much life and when it runs out the disk goes read only

 

how much has it written - its in the smart info further down


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:02 PM

Reallocated sectors like this is always a bad thing... and I would recommend replacing the drive, RMA if it's still under warranty. 


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:12 PM

Thanks guys , i bought the 850 pro rather than the evo as they have a 10 year warranty so i will see about starting the RMA process 



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:27 PM

Just looking as the written data and there is no way that this is correct, it is the server os drive and has only ever been used as such 
All the shared folders are stored on other drives this is just the OS . my concern is that i go threough the trouble of an RMA to find the stablebit scanner is not using samsungs reporting software 

 

 

Using non-manufacturer specific interpretation rules.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:16 PM

The life for your ssd is 150TB 

 

so 15Tb per year

 

you are well under per year

 

My 2012r2 is very chatty with its disk at about 4tb for 4-5 months

 

If you look in scanner there is an almost constant read/write going on - i have yet to find the culprit(s) even with search turned off


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#7 Christopher (Drashna)

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:15 AM

The LBA written *may* be off.  In many drives (especially SSDs), this information is not passed on normally and does require interpretation. 

 

But given the ~3.5 years, if this is a system disk, then 30TBs isn't unreasonable.  

 

Spider99 is right about the system being very "chatty". Specifically, the page file is heavily used, and this may account for a majority of the writes. That said, temp files are written a lot. And if this Essentials, then you have logs written to the system disk every day. 


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 06:42 AM

Thank you Spider99 and Drashna for your help, that makes sense about the page file. I will swap out the ssd and move the page file off of the ssd .

Drashna are there any plans to implement the manufacturer interpretation rules in a future release/update ?


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 04:29 AM

Thank you Spider99 and Drashna for your help, that makes sense about the page file. I will swap out the ssd and move the page file off of the ssd .

Drashna are there any plans to implement the manufacturer interpretation rules in a future release/update ?

 

You're very welcome! 

 

As for the rules/interpretations, yes.  We do this periodically, and "on demand". But this is a rather time consuming process. 

 

And SSDs are notorious for obfuscating the data. Meaning that the data may not actually be correct until we put it through a "filter". 


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:08 AM

You're very welcome! 

 

As for the rules/interpretations, yes.  We do this periodically, and "on demand". But this is a rather time consuming process. 

 

And SSDs are notorious for obfuscating the data. Meaning that the data may not actually be correct until we put it through a "filter". 

Would i be right in saying that the 26.3% is the amount of reallocated sections that has been used of 100% available for use?



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:18 PM

The "26.3%" value is based on the range for the value.

 

This is actually covered in the manual, though not in great detail:

http://stablebit.com...nology) details

 

Baically, the shorter the value, the worse it is.  

 

 

That said, any number of reallocated sectors is too many, IMO.  Especially with an SSD. At that point, it's time to replace the drive, because the NAND is probably already failing. 


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Posted 09 March 2017 - 08:25 AM

I have contacted samsung and they have been given the various screenshots of their samsung magician V5 tools that they have asked for, I have also provided the ones from stablebit scanner. I do have another  ssd 256 gig new 850 pro i had bought ready to migrate to 2016 essentials. so i can always do a bare metal restore onto it. I dont want to pull it just yet incase they want more info .

 

I will let you know what they say, but either way i will be swapping it out.

 

Thanks again for the feedback and advice.

 

By the way the disc has a 10 year or 150tb warranty, the main reason i went with the pro over the evo drives 



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Posted 09 March 2017 - 03:47 PM

Just had a reply back from samsung 

 

Dear Doug,

Thank you for your reply.
 
We checked your SMART data and they are fine.
We do not know how other tool checking out SSD.
Samsung Magician was designer for Samsung SSDs.

In case there is something wrong with the SSD SMART will show fail
 

At Magician, SSD is under controlled and send the pre-alert.
 
 
Thank you very much and a pleasant day.
 
For further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
 
 
 
Best regards
 
Natalie Dubrov
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 04:04 PM

Hi had a similar problem scanner flagged a drive but wd tools said it was fine I still have/use the drive to this day I just set scanner not to scan that particular drive
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 10:00 PM

Just had a reply back from samsung 

 

Would you mind forwarding the images of Samsung Magician to me (either via https://stablebit.com/Contactor to "christopher@covecube.com")?


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:49 PM

Would you mind forwarding the images of Samsung Magician to me (either via https://stablebit.com/Contactor to "christopher@covecube.com")?

 

Just sent them over 

Let me know if you would like any more info 



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Posted 10 March 2017 - 08:12 PM

Thanks. 

 

I've flagged this issue, so we can see about updating the rules for this drive/model. 

 

However, it may be a while before we're able to. I'll try to let you know when that happens.

 

https://stablebit.co...eAnalysis/27386


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